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GM backs mandatory vehicle 'black boxes'

Detroit News -- Washington -- General Motors Co. supports legislation to require so-called "black boxes" in vehicles, to collect crash data, and it is willing to support additional "reasonable" auto safety legislation.

In a roundtable interview with reporters today, GM's new vice president for government relations, Robert E. Ferguson, said the company backs legislation in the works from Rep. Gene Green, D-Texas, to mandate event data recorders.

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Submitted Mar 19, 2010 By: MyVue08

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Houckster Champion Author Atlanta Posts:6,534 Points:631,605 Joined:Sep 2003	Message Posted: Mar 23, 2010 8:13:45 AM Ignore Houckster Report Abuse One poster writes: Don't forget - "GM supports" translates into "the GovernMent wants". _____ Such simplistic thinking as this is what gets people in trouble. If I were a used car salesman (no offense to honest used car salesmen), I could sell this guy the Brooklyn Bridge. All I'd have to tell him is that the government didn't build it. And the "Big Brother" comments are just as silly. Such people have more to fear from themselves than from government. _____ The reality is that this device could yield some very interesting information that could lead to lives being saved plus other very real benefits. Before I would oppose something like this, opponents would have to come up with a very realistic argument. Paranoia isn't gonna do it for me. [Edited by: Houckster at 3/23/2010 8:16:42 AM EST]
Sneakers55 Champion Author Houston Posts:32,179 Points:1,300,220 Joined:Nov 2005	Message Posted: Mar 23, 2010 7:20:58 AM Ignore Sneakers55 Report Abuse flyboy wrote: >Now they want to be able to keep track of where we have gone! If they don't have an absolute position sensor, it'll be hard to learn much. >They are already trying to legislate taking control of our physical health! Let them take control of mental health, maybe people will stop overdosing on recreational chemicals.
Vette1967 Champion Author Albany Posts:1,405 Points:332,840 Joined:Jun 2009	Message Posted: Mar 22, 2010 12:28:49 AM Ignore Vette1967 Report Abuse Wonder if they will really be orange in color and will the NTSB do the investigations too?
kelsielee Champion Author Atlanta Posts:3,389 Points:668,850 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 11:37:31 PM Ignore kelsielee Report Abuse Besides GM, which other car makers already have the black boxes in their cars (I think that a few others do)?
coughlin Champion Author San Jose Posts:1,157 Points:302,225 Joined:Sep 2009	Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 9:08:53 PM Ignore coughlin Report Abuse Excellent. Great idea
SpaceAce5 Veteran Author South Dakota Posts:300 Points:66,245 Joined:Feb 2010	Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 6:41:09 PM Ignore SpaceAce5 Report Abuse not a bad idea
ENORMS Champion Author Colorado Posts:2,178 Points:703,500 Joined:Sep 2006	Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 3:06:27 PM Ignore ENORMS Report Abuse May not be a bad idea.
baddog58 All-Star Author Texas Posts:986 Points:430,475 Joined:May 2007	Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 12:40:04 PM Ignore baddog58 Report Abuse Don't forget - "GM supports" translates into "the GovernMent wants".
fordmexico Champion Author Michigan Posts:2,177 Points:182,100 Joined:Oct 2009	Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 12:24:48 PM Ignore fordmexico Report Abuse Black Box Legislation to Protect You. Check it Out! NMA Black Box Bill HR 1015
Mysticmeg Rookie Author Fort Worth Posts:6 Points:1,125 Joined:Mar 2010	Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 8:27:36 AM Ignore Mysticmeg Report Abuse I am looking for a new HORSE this afternoon. I like to ride Western Saddle but some of my friends ride an English Saddle. You never know when a new HORSE will come in handy. The car manufacturers do not want to sell cars in America. They are selling all the good cars in foreign countries.
Kamakani Champion Author Hawaii Posts:1,875 Points:578,885 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 2:30:01 AM Ignore Kamakani Report Abuse Will they put them in EVs too?
goodbuy Champion Author Michigan Posts:3,168 Points:539,285 Joined:May 2005	Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 2:09:31 AM Ignore goodbuy Report Abuse The question is, "Who does it belong to." It has been in GM cars for over 10 years. [Edited by: goodbuy at 3/20/2010 2:10:13 AM EST]
jimgraham Champion Author Akron Posts:5,346 Points:1,009,505 Joined:Oct 2007	Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 2:07:06 AM Ignore jimgraham Report Abuse Disable the black box or kill its memory whenever you want. Big Brother is Watching YOU.
RENEGADEGAS Champion Author Missouri Posts:7,688 Points:621,130 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 2:00:41 AM Ignore RENEGADEGAS Report Abuse PetroScopper...(((shake))) (((shake)))...how do you feel now? Sorry I was just trying to wake you up.
HA4CNN Champion Author Toronto Posts:1,001 Points:598,290 Joined:Dec 2006	Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 1:54:13 AM Ignore HA4CNN Report Abuse What would you expect from an auto company that is owened by the Government,total and complete compliance.
roadrunnerMO Champion Author Kansas Posts:3,451 Points:737,295 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 1:53:25 AM Ignore roadrunnerMO Report Abuse And how much will this cost consumers to have it in the vehicles they drive?
cutter1330 Champion Author Oklahoma Posts:3,151 Points:724,035 Joined:Jul 2005	Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 1:47:04 AM Ignore cutter1330 Report Abuse Black box will end up roasting some.
pbc2001 Champion Author Dallas Posts:2,311 Points:416,430 Joined:Feb 2009	Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 1:46:31 AM Ignore pbc2001 Report Abuse Let the Big Brother take care of us...
Asbury09 Champion Author Iowa Posts:2,402 Points:562,755 Joined:Jan 2009	Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 1:37:33 AM Ignore Asbury09 Report Abuse could not have said it better mateo718
PetroScopper Champion Author Houston Posts:2,208 Points:604,125 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 1:37:28 AM Ignore PetroScopper Report Abuse I personally, like the whole idea. Though, I do think that they should also put some perimeters in place so that law officials can't just do whatever they want just because the data in the computers is available to them. As for "Big Brother" - that's been in place in a big way since the last administration... so, there's really no need to even worry about that.
goldseeker Champion Author West Virginia Posts:12,916 Points:1,749,315 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 1:36:58 AM Ignore goldseeker Report Abuse What next?
janctx Champion Author Lubbock Posts:2,657 Points:860,245 Joined:Nov 2007	Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 1:31:13 AM Ignore janctx Report Abuse I have mixed feelings
jadeusa Champion Author Dallas Posts:4,296 Points:877,360 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 1:28:52 AM Ignore jadeusa Report Abuse Not a good idea - don't agree with anything that can act as "big brother". This is too much in socialism and "big government".
bobdec Champion Author Florida Posts:4,294 Points:841,575 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 1:23:03 AM Ignore bobdec Report Abuse Bad, the information taken will be misused
TPlayer All-Star Author Fort Wayne Posts:576 Points:140,010 Joined:Jan 2010	Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 1:19:19 AM Ignore TPlayer Report Abuse There are benefits and drawbacks... benefit in that it can improve cars... drawback, and it's already happening, is that the info can be used against you in a court of law... no miranda rights for your car...
mateo718 Veteran Author Columbus Posts:485 Points:130,660 Joined:Apr 2005	Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 1:19:01 AM Ignore mateo718 Report Abuse when the people fear government you breed tyranny when government fears the people you have democracy
RENEGADEGAS Champion Author Missouri Posts:7,688 Points:621,130 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 1:15:58 AM Ignore RENEGADEGAS Report Abuse Of course Government Motors back it. Hussien wants it and they work for him. flyboy, you said it very well. Your personal life and freedom are at stake with this and half the things on the table with this administration. November cant get here soon enough.
REVLAW Champion Author San Antonio Posts:5,434 Points:1,035,040 Joined:Jul 2007	Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 1:13:58 AM Ignore REVLAW Report Abuse The tainted speak out.
250FORD Champion Author Minnesota Posts:7,696 Points:1,239,135 Joined:Feb 2007	Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 1:13:24 AM Ignore 250FORD Report Abuse dwgt.net These boxes will be just like airlines where they need to be read out of the vehicle. Think of it this way, GM's on star can already track location and speed.
rxman1 Champion Author Toledo Posts:4,368 Points:911,380 Joined:Nov 2007	Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 1:12:24 AM Ignore rxman1 Report Abuse Unreasonable seizure of you personal black box without a warrant?
benjy Champion Author Chicago Posts:4,843 Points:896,800 Joined:Nov 2003	Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 1:10:10 AM Ignore benjy Report Abuse prices going up......
flyboy Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:3,796 Points:1,319,465 Joined:Jan 2002	Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 1:08:58 AM Ignore flyboy Report Abuse The liberals want yet another way to keep track of what we do! Expect speeding tickets by computer if they get away with this. Now they want to be able to keep track of where we have gone! They are already trying to legislate taking control of our physical health! [Edited by: flyboy at 3/20/2010 1:15:52 AM EST]
la90042 Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:2,402 Points:505,405 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 1:07:39 AM Ignore la90042 Report Abuse who pays for the costs - we do.....do we need it?
pyndasky Champion Author Maryland Posts:4,961 Points:821,755 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 1:07:07 AM Ignore pyndasky Report Abuse hmmmm???? exactly what else will that little black box track? this could be a bonanza for divorce lawyers.
FastAndy Champion Author Indianapolis Posts:4,216 Points:1,117,920 Joined:Jun 2007	Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 12:58:02 AM Ignore FastAndy Report Abuse Of coarse GM backs this, after all the government owns most of GM and they will do anything the government says at this point.
EVBuddy Champion Author Nevada Posts:11,729 Points:2,064,135 Joined:Sep 2004	Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 12:54:33 AM Ignore EVBuddy Report Abuse Only system failure data should be recorded, not location, speed, etc. otherwise the black box will eventually become a cash register for local speed traps, trial lawyers for civil liability. Besides, a while back they talked about putting a tax on how much a person drives. This would be a great tool for them to do just that. I say don't buy a car with a Black Box unless they put in writing only system failure data will be recorded.
mmene Champion Author Houston Posts:2,585 Points:588,395 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 12:52:01 AM Ignore mmene Report Abuse Seems like a good idea, it can only improve safety and accountability.
Bubba44612 Champion Author Ohio Posts:2,681 Points:919,900 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 12:50:46 AM Ignore Bubba44612 Report Abuse Of course if it means more money in their pockets. Who pays for these?
Nicoalbum Champion Author Ottawa Posts:1,013 Points:216,365 Joined:Jan 2010	Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 12:50:44 AM Ignore Nicoalbum Report Abuse OK for that, a good idea. Never too late.
DerHahn Champion Author Illinois Posts:8,124 Points:1,151,840 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 12:49:16 AM Ignore DerHahn Report Abuse only until they have their next recall. then it becomes an invasion of federal regulations.
LeftLane1 Champion Author Georgia Posts:5,379 Points:896,275 Joined:May 2007	Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 12:45:32 AM Ignore LeftLane1 Report Abuse I want control of my vehicle, You think you have nothing to hide, but data without the picture of what really happened, can be used against you from your own car, this is another Big Brother event coming, the govt is pushing this concept and GM is in no position to argue at the moment, it is packed full of Obama Administration plants (not picking on Obama), Mandatory anything by the government is not a good sign, and it typically leads to even more govt and more costs... This is another Pandora's Box I believe, Mr I dont have anything to hide, well you probably believe that too.
Screwembak Champion Author Calgary Posts:12,066 Points:2,386,255 Joined:Dec 2003	Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 12:37:11 AM Ignore Screwembak Report Abuse Put them in, I have nothing to hide and it may even be the proof of that in the event something serious happens.
LexusLS400 Champion Author Orange County Posts:3,524 Points:709,320 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 12:26:28 AM Ignore LexusLS400 Report Abuse I believe Priuses already do, judgemobile
judgemobile Champion Author Ohio Posts:2,766 Points:1,489,985 Joined:Nov 2005	Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 12:24:03 AM Ignore judgemobile Report Abuse Too bad Toyotas do not already have black boxes. Then it would be easy to tell a FAKE report from a real vehicle safety issue.
vulcan96 Champion Author Ohio Posts:17,957 Points:2,133,020 Joined:Aug 2004	Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 12:23:58 AM Ignore vulcan96 Report Abuse you would trust the gov with this info ?????????????
GasholeMI Champion Author Lansing Posts:5,309 Points:764,790 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 12:19:19 AM Ignore GasholeMI Report Abuse Sure they back it. What do they care what our vehicles cost. It will be another excuse from the auto companies why they need to charge so much for its cars. I think they should have black boxes on big wheel bikes for kids too.
Sneakers55 Champion Author Houston Posts:32,179 Points:1,300,220 Joined:Nov 2005	Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 12:18:07 AM Ignore Sneakers55 Report Abuse Make the EDRs so they can be read with a laptop and a cheap cable with a USB connector on one side and an OBD-II connector on the other. Also, tell everyone to use the same format while you're at it.
teafortwo Champion Author Washington Posts:4,095 Points:426,725 Joined:Feb 2009	Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 12:16:21 AM Ignore teafortwo Report Abuse Fascinating article MyVue08. A must read. Thanks for sharing ;0) FROM THE ARTICLE: The recorders collect data for the last five seconds of a crash, including whether the drive is wearing a seatbelt, speed and whether the brakes were applied. Not all automakers support a black box mandate. GM began widely installing the predecessor version of today's event data recorders in vehicles in the 1990 model year, and they became standard equipment in light duty vehicles in the 1995 model year. A device that allows for limited public retrieval of the data in GM event data recorders has been available since 1999. GM also supports wider availability of the crash data stored in EDRs. Green said that the devices are "essential to ensure consumers are being properly protected in their vehicles."
10k Champion Author North Carolina Posts:12,974 Points:1,282,200 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 12:16:01 AM Ignore 10k Report Abuse if planes can do it, why not autos ??..at a reasonable cost of course..
Ltdc Champion Author Long Island Posts:2,397 Points:726,745 Joined:Jul 2007	Message Posted: Mar 20, 2010 12:12:02 AM Ignore Ltdc Report Abuse As long as the cost to retrieve the data is not out of line, look for it to have a big impact in lawsuits.