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Gulf Coast States at Odds on Penalties for Oil Spill

nytimes.com -- NEW ORLEANS — With BP’s agreement on Thursday to plead guilty to 14 criminal charges and pay $4.5 billion in fines and other payments in connection with its 2010 oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico, Gulf Coast politicians are now eyeing a much bigger potential windfall from the company: $20 billion or more in civil pollution penalties for the spill.

But the negotiations over those penalties — including which states get the money, how quickly, and what it can be used for — could be more contentious than the talks that led to the criminal settlement.

Officials with the Justice Department, who are leading the discussions, are not simply representing the federal government, but a number of other governments, including those of the five gulf states. And not only do some states have a differe

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Submitted Nov 19, 2012 By: teafortwo

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honda0105 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:18,828 Points:1,637,220 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Nov 24, 2012 8:20:18 AM Ignore honda0105 Report Abuse thanks for posting T42
LetemEatCake Champion Author Oklahoma City Posts:5,667 Points:1,229,200 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Nov 20, 2012 11:32:18 PM Ignore LetemEatCake Report Abuse Teafortwo...another really good article...thanks!
DrCashFlow Champion Author Massachusetts Posts:7,204 Points:1,654,785 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Nov 20, 2012 5:15:44 AM Ignore DrCashFlow Report Abuse fine not nearly high enough
52MPG Champion Author Dayton Posts:7,402 Points:1,769,405 Joined:Apr 2006	Message Posted: Nov 20, 2012 12:22:24 AM Ignore 52MPG Report Abuse Politics of getting money.
boatfloyd Champion Author Jacksonville Posts:1,858 Points:415,675 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Nov 20, 2012 12:14:02 AM Ignore boatfloyd Report Abuse Fighting over the money
goldrose1 Champion Author Cleveland Posts:11,071 Points:1,949,605 Joined:Feb 2005	Message Posted: Nov 20, 2012 12:12:42 AM Ignore goldrose1 Report Abuse Not all the protesters are short a couple marbles.
1fulltank Champion Author Buffalo Posts:8,041 Points:1,571,970 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Nov 20, 2012 12:10:40 AM Ignore 1fulltank Report Abuse It's funny how money can bring out the worst in people.
GRUMPY55 Champion Author California Posts:1,666 Points:433,140 Joined:Oct 2011	Message Posted: Nov 20, 2012 12:09:17 AM Ignore GRUMPY55 Report Abuse All the Gulf states should get same amount of money
slkmoo Champion Author Ontario Posts:1,378 Points:355,775 Joined:Apr 2012	Message Posted: Nov 20, 2012 12:07:13 AM Ignore slkmoo Report Abuse vrossi46 right on
vrossi46 Champion Author San Jose Posts:2,797 Points:829,695 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Nov 20, 2012 12:04:54 AM Ignore vrossi46 Report Abuse fat cats can't wait to get a hold of money that we'll end up paying in one way or another
goldrose1 Champion Author Cleveland Posts:11,071 Points:1,949,605 Joined:Feb 2005	Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 11:58:38 PM Ignore goldrose1 Report Abuse not surprised/
Kawibiker Champion Author Illinois Posts:1,221 Points:215,465 Joined:May 2012	Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 11:57:44 PM Ignore Kawibiker Report Abuse ok
bvrbill Champion Author Eugene Posts:3,440 Points:546,000 Joined:Jul 2011	Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 11:56:45 PM Ignore bvrbill Report Abuse The lawyers are getting richer.
ctcowboy Sophomore Author Connecticut Posts:198 Points:42,920 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 11:54:04 PM Ignore ctcowboy Report Abuse BP = ATM
clermont40miles Champion Author Cincinnati Posts:10,754 Points:1,799,595 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 11:51:47 PM Ignore clermont40miles Report Abuse Lawyers paradise. Justice is "just-as" we please. All BP customers pay for this.
sprocketsplines Champion Author Washington Posts:1,813 Points:888,060 Joined:Oct 2010	Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 11:51:39 PM Ignore sprocketsplines Report Abuse As difficult as it is to do, everyone has to get together in going after BP in the civil suits. The old adage "united we stand, divided we fall" applies.
mstearno Champion Author Dayton Posts:8,174 Points:1,755,920 Joined:Jan 2008	Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 11:50:52 PM Ignore mstearno Report Abuse as consumers we pay anyways so who cares fight over the dead carcas
southrob Champion Author Tucson Posts:3,736 Points:714,900 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 11:50:43 PM Ignore southrob Report Abuse dhan for cheap gas
NHLiveFree Champion Author New Hampshire Posts:11,294 Points:1,649,905 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 11:45:57 PM Ignore NHLiveFree Report Abuse Trust in all the MS, LA, and AL politicians to join the 1% if they are not there already! Thank you BP, TransOcean, and Halliburton.
rjoeh Champion Author Michigan Posts:7,207 Points:2,497,165 Joined:Jun 2004	Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 11:43:28 PM Ignore rjoeh Report Abuse Everyone wanting a piece of the fatted calf. Bet when they get their share... it will be wasted and the public will see little benefit of it.
NAVYHM All-Star Author Cleveland Posts:761 Points:1,405,955 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 11:42:51 PM Ignore NAVYHM Report Abuse THE U.S. GOVERNMENT AND ALL THE LAWYERS INVOLVED INCLUDING ALL THE GREEDY POLITICIANS WILL ALL TAKE HOME MORE MONEY & PRIZES THAN ANY OF THE VICTIMS OR THEIR FAMILIES GUARANTEED...
my2002m Champion Author Tulsa Posts:6,213 Points:1,697,980 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 11:42:21 PM Ignore my2002m Report Abuse Because they want some of the money.
VikingWoman Champion Author Washington Posts:1,445 Points:278,555 Joined:May 2012	Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 11:39:28 PM Ignore VikingWoman Report Abuse This isn't hurting BP in the stockmarket - at least not today. The price per share increased $1.20 and that's a pretty good increase. It could 'adjust' tomorrow and drop a bit but if this were bad news for shareholders they would be dumping stock and the price would be dropping like a rock.
N4PIP Champion Author Miami Posts:1,010 Points:445,055 Joined:Jan 2012	Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 11:31:20 PM Ignore N4PIP Report Abuse "BP has been penalized enough"? Are you kidding me? They've fought every step of the way for paying anything!
suzmar Champion Author Texas Posts:2,223 Points:896,935 Joined:Jun 2006	Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 11:25:14 PM Ignore suzmar Report Abuse BP has been penalized enough, but government is greedy.
Mr_Bill_W All-Star Author Virginia Posts:581 Points:379,485 Joined:Feb 2012	Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 11:24:57 PM Ignore Mr_Bill_W Report Abuse BP ~ British Petroleum or Big Penalty? Well BP its time to pay the politics and population impacted by your stupidity so pony up the bucks!
MopedTime All-Star Author Michigan Posts:809 Points:384,485 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 11:23:49 PM Ignore MopedTime Report Abuse Don't you think BP was already penalized enough?
Double_Golden Champion Author San Francisco Posts:2,700 Points:633,085 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 11:21:39 PM Ignore Double_Golden Report Abuse BP will recovered the penalty fine from the consumers when their raised the price of gasoline...
preacherjohn Champion Author Modesto Posts:4,096 Points:1,943,310 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 11:17:45 PM Ignore preacherjohn Report Abuse soo..pay up.
fowlcan Champion Author Oklahoma City Posts:2,210 Points:710,395 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 11:17:21 PM Ignore fowlcan Report Abuse Naturally the feast of free money for the lawyers is like the smell of blood to great white sharks.
charladan All-Star Author Virginia Posts:564 Points:466,440 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 11:16:13 PM Ignore charladan Report Abuse you mean people are fighting over money. who would have thought it possible
LQQKGAS Champion Author Phoenix Posts:2,770 Points:1,222,675 Joined:Oct 2009	Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 11:15:40 PM Ignore LQQKGAS Report Abuse Those penalties will be passed on to the consumer. Here comes obumas $8 per gallon gas!
wayoung56 Champion Author Alabama Posts:2,920 Points:845,010 Joined:Oct 2006	Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 11:15:14 PM Ignore wayoung56 Report Abuse Hmmmm...
bojiway1 Champion Author Minnesota Posts:2,185 Points:505,660 Joined:Dec 2011	Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 11:13:50 PM Ignore bojiway1 Report Abuse will the federal gov delay it
N5EXY Champion Author Austin Posts:5,633 Points:1,537,310 Joined:Jul 2004	Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 11:12:01 PM Ignore N5EXY Report Abuse Lawyers and politicians.
drz614 Champion Author Harrisburg Posts:2,439 Points:625,320 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 11:11:34 PM Ignore drz614 Report Abuse ok
CityCouponer Champion Author New Orleans Posts:1,073 Points:228,830 Joined:Aug 2012	Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 11:11:21 PM Ignore CityCouponer Report Abuse BP=Biological Polluters.
ClancyME Champion Author Georgia Posts:14,666 Points:2,395,690 Joined:Sep 2006	Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 11:09:29 PM Ignore ClancyME Report Abuse Here we go!
MidNJ Champion Author New Jersey Posts:7,686 Points:1,197,290 Joined:Sep 2009	Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 11:06:29 PM Ignore MidNJ Report Abuse From the article: "About 30 percent of the funds would be divided based on the extent of damage, and another 30 percent would go to creating and carrying out a comprehensive master plan covering the entire Gulf Coast." ++++++++++++++++ Hopefully so.
Mustache_33 All-Star Author Toronto Posts:900 Points:181,455 Joined:May 2012	Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 11:01:29 PM Ignore Mustache_33 Report Abuse hm
DeeLA Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:4,959 Points:1,392,930 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 11:00:44 PM Ignore DeeLA Report Abuse This has been going on too long. I'll be glad when it is finally settled.
DrLyon Champion Author Michigan Posts:6,769 Points:1,238,615 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 10:59:16 PM Ignore DrLyon Report Abuse So..
WIPACKERFAN Champion Author Chicago Posts:8,944 Points:1,871,150 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 10:58:19 PM Ignore WIPACKERFAN Report Abuse OK
dasimon All-Star Author Florida Posts:556 Points:573,050 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 10:56:30 PM Ignore dasimon Report Abuse Of course
pgerassi Champion Author Milwaukee Posts:11,036 Points:2,159,245 Joined:Apr 2007	Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 10:50:15 PM Ignore pgerassi Report Abuse Everyone wants a bigger slice of the pie.
farn1958 All-Star Author Twin Cities Posts:886 Points:183,385 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 10:42:49 PM Ignore farn1958 Report Abuse no surprise there
naspa Champion Author Cleveland Posts:1,412 Points:379,625 Joined:Jan 2012	Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 10:42:17 PM Ignore naspa Report Abuse Let each state sue each other. That's what our democracy is about these days. There is no need of agreement decency amongst folks anymore.
gd83goldwinger Champion Author South Bend Posts:1,428 Points:519,230 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 10:39:58 PM Ignore gd83goldwinger Report Abuse About time they make fines for there errors.
69Bonne Champion Author Gary Posts:1,256 Points:493,350 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 10:39:17 PM Ignore 69Bonne Report Abuse The courts and the lawyers will tie this up for a long time.
pecos Champion Author Columbus Posts:7,799 Points:2,131,040 Joined:Jul 2005	Message Posted: Nov 19, 2012 10:38:06 PM Ignore pecos Report Abuse Make em pay... get r done.